{"id":11878,"date":"2023-07-28T13:38:10","date_gmt":"2023-07-28T11:38:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dev.inkovema.de\/?p=11878"},"modified":"2025-08-05T12:11:10","modified_gmt":"2025-08-05T10:11:10","slug":"decisions-paradoxes-klaus-eidenschink-136","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dev.inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/decisions-paradoxes-klaus-eidenschink-136\/","title":{"rendered":"Decisions and their paradoxes. In conversation with Klaus Eidenschink (INKOVEMA podcast #136)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container gradient-container-1 nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA Podcast &#8222;Well through time&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#136 &#8211; Decisions and their paradoxes.<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h2>Weshalb Entscheidungen treffen eine Kunst ist, die von ausgreifender Reflexion begleitet sein sollte. Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Klaus Eidenschink<\/h2><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>Well through time. The podcast about mediation, conflict coaching and organisational consulting.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/137-136-entscheidungen-und-ihre-paradoxien-im-gesprach-mit-klaus-eidenschink\/embed?context=external\"><\/script><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p><strong>Klaus Eidenschink:<\/strong>\u00a0Studied theology, psychology and philosophy, graduate theologian, senior coach and trainer (DBVC), Gestalt therapist (DVG), supervisor, alternative practitioner for psychotherapy (unrestricted healing licence according to \u00a7 1 HeilprG), managing director of Eidenschink und Partner and the Hephaistos training institute, whose theoretical basis is the metatheory of change.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h2>Contents:<\/h2>\n<p>Looking at the decision-making process\u00a0<strong>sociological<\/strong>you can recognise the\u00a0<strong>Bivalence of decisions<\/strong>Something is wanted and something else is not wanted at the same time, something is chosen and something else is deselected. It is also worth noting that expectations are placed on the decision and decision-makers in advance, so that the decision is also a reaction of expectation, which thereby gives meaning to itself. And on top of that, decisions are paradoxical in several respects.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Klaus Eidenschink:<\/strong>\u00a0Studied theology, psychology and philosophy, graduate theologian, senior coach and trainer (DBVC), Gestalt therapist (DVG), supervisor, alternative practitioner for psychotherapy (unrestricted healing licence according to \u00a7 1 HeilprG), managing director of Eidenschink und Partner and the Hephaistos training institute, whose theoretical basis is the metatheory of change.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Deciding is not calculating<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>Summarising\u00a0<strong>decision as a mental and communicative process that makes a choice between at least two equally valid alternatives, it is no longer a \"calculation process\"<\/strong>. 1+1=2 does not mean that 2 is the result of a decision-making process. If you apply the legal consequence of a rule, you are only making a real decision if the alternative is equivalent!<\/p>\n<p>The consequence of this** radical, counter-intuitive view** is that the\u00a0<strong>Rationality banished from decision-making processes<\/strong>\u00a0is. The call to make decisions rationally is obsolete because they are no longer real decisions, but \"calculation results\".<\/p>\n<p><strong>Why this understanding?<\/strong> In cases in which there is rationality, the matter is in fact already decided...However, a result-finding process is not a decision-making process and calculation is in principle not a decision-making process. Learning rationality processes, e.g. applying mathematical or other rules, is generally not a decision-making process.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Advantage of this approach<\/strong>\u00a0is, ...that the\u00a0<strong>Uncertainty, which is cancelled out by the decision, only becomes visible in this way<\/strong>\u00a0becomes. Otherwise it is a matter of ignorance. In this way, the responsibility for the decision also becomes clear: because the uncertainty, which is cancelled by the decision, consequently lives on in the decision in favour of A in the good reasons for B as counterarguments! There is no decision without a price! The decision character of the decision can be recognised above all in the good counter-arguments &#8211; and thus the degree of responsibility to be borne. This means (sociologically): Only undecidable questions are ultimately decided. \"Real\" decisions are only made for questions that have at least two equally valid alternatives. Decisions involve a certain degree of unpredictability, even irrationality (Luhmann, VerwArch 1993, 287).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Paradoxically, because it remains undecidable, the equivalence of the alternatives is not established at the time of the decision itself.<\/strong>\u00a0And whether the assumption in favour of the one (= decision) and against the other (= calculation result) is itself a decision or a calculation task also remains unanswerable and incalculable at the time it is made &#8211; and therefore only decidable as undecidable at all. This idea of undecidable questions is based on the concept of the radical constructivists around H. von Foerster.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><em><strong>Decisions are communicative processes, <\/strong><\/em><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><em><strong>who give birth to themselves or otherwise: <\/strong><\/em><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><em><strong>After the decision is before the decision.<\/strong><\/em><\/h3>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/h3>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div style=\"text-align:center;\"><a class=\"fusion-button button-flat fusion-button-default-size button-default fusion-button-default button-1 fusion-button-default-span fusion-button-default-type\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/dev.inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/decision-making-procedure-claus-nowak-130\/\"><span class=\"fusion-button-icon-divider button-icon-divider-left\"><i class=\"fa-info-circle fas awb-button__icon awb-button__icon--default\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-button-text awb-button__text awb-button__text--default fusion-button-text-left\">Podcast episode # 130 &#8211; The decision-making process. How decisions are (or should be) made in groups and organisations. In conversation with Prof Dr Claus Nowak<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div style=\"text-align:center;\"><a class=\"fusion-button button-flat fusion-button-default-size button-default fusion-button-default button-2 fusion-button-default-span fusion-button-default-type\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/dev.inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/the-architecture-of-human-thought-5-recommendations-for-the-mediator-in-mediation\/\"><span class=\"fusion-button-icon-divider button-icon-divider-left\"><i class=\"fa-info-circle fas awb-button__icon awb-button__icon--default\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-button-text awb-button__text awb-button__text--default fusion-button-text-left\">Blog post: Architecture of human thought. 5 recommendations for mediators in mediation. Basics of the two-systems model.<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div style=\"text-align:center;\"><a class=\"fusion-button button-flat fusion-button-default-size button-default fusion-button-default button-3 fusion-button-default-span fusion-button-default-type\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/dev.inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/heuristics-what-can-be-a-disaster-for-us-in-decisions\/\"><span class=\"fusion-button-icon-divider button-icon-divider-left\"><i class=\"fa-info-circle fas awb-button__icon awb-button__icon--default\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-button-text awb-button__text awb-button__text--default fusion-button-text-left\">Blog post: Heuristics. 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